While I agree that school is evil and must be resisted at all costs, I offer two other points of view for balance.
1. You ask "why did I have to learn how to write perfect essays?" This post is an example of a well-written essay. You learned that in school.
2. "No one can become really educated without having pursued some study in which he took no interest" — T.S. Eliot
At 11:03 AM,
Sounds to me like the girl in the movie was "unschooled" and where did that get her? She couldn't communicate because nobody ever taught her to. She knew nothing because she was never "schooled". Kurt is so right--you write essays every time you get on this blog, and where did you learn to use language, punctuation, etc.? It wasn't in a home where you were "unschooled". Given a choice, most people will take the path of least resistance. Children, not knowing any better, will usually choose to do what is "fun" and "easy", not what requires work and focus. That will put them at a disadvantage in life, because if not made to focus and work for what they can accomplish and be the best they can be (even if it means doing things they don't want to), then they will surely have a much harder "row to hoe" since they will expect things to come easily or be done for them or given to them. Sounds like "unschooling" works well for the parent who is too lazy or doesn't care to do what is necessary to educate their child, even if it's for the childs own good.
See, I did not go into a deep explanation of what "unschooling" actually is. There is a lot more to it, and it is, in fact, a schooling method, that, although less structured, does have some structure to it. It's not like you say, "Okay, TJ, what do you want to learn today?" When he says he wants to learn about candy, you don't just say, "Okay, well go find a book and see what you come up with." It still involves actual lessons that the parent comes up with, incorporating all areas of education, as well as focus and hard work. However, it also acknowledges that it's a waste of time to try to teach something to a kid who has zero interest in the subject. In other words, why teach TJ about poetry by reading Shakespeare to him when I can just as easily teach him the same skills with his favorite song about candy? Essentially, unschooling is teaching to the child's interests without a set curriculum. Many people I've talked to say that unschooling is actually much harder to do than the regular methods, as you don't have a set schedule to follow, and you have to do things kind of at the moment. For that reason, I'm not quite sure if I'll be able to 100% unschool, but I want to try to incorporate some of the unschooling attitude into the education of my children. I want to teach to their interests and make them want to learn more about everything they're learning. I can honestly say that the majority of things I was disinterested in in school, I can't remember a damn thing about. I learned enough to pass the test...what a waste of time that was! I could have been learning the same things or stuff that was more pertinent to my life at those times with more interesting themes.
The girl was not "unschooled". She was completely uneducated. There was no method to her education at all, b/c there was no education.
As to the writing part. I never said my children would not learn to write and use grammar. Why, though, have them write useless essays about topics they could care less about, so that I can criticize and tear them apart, when they can learn the same skills by writing freely about subjects they care about?
I really hate when people post comments anonymously.
Christi, I'm a friend of Julia's and she pointed me towards this post. My son is 10 and has pretty much been unschooled from the get-go. I say "pretty much" because there were brief periods in his younger years when I tried different curricula, only to discover they were far more interesting to me than him. We finally settled in to totally unschooling when he was about 6 and I can honestly say it has been the BEST decision I've ever made as a parent.
BUT (because there's always a "but", right?!!), it's not a lifestyle for everyone. I definitely spend more time with my son than I would if he were in school 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. There are definitely lazier ways I could spend that time ;-).
The time we spend together is not structured time. We have certain people we see on the same days each week, but that's about as structured as our lives are. We enjoy blowing whichever way the wind blows us. Rather than living our lives around a school schedule, we simply live our lives.
People learn to write essays without going to school for years to learn how to do so. On the flip side, plenty of people go to school for years and are supposedly taught how to write essays, yet their spelling, grammar, punctuation, and other writing skills are horrifying.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the T.S. Eliot quote Kurt posted.
I think it's interesting that Anonymous pits "fun" and "easy" against "work" and "focus". In our household, those four words can go together with no problem. Even if something is challenging rather than easy, it can still be fun, we can complete it, and we can definitely be focused, whether it's something we're working on together or individually. It's not at all uncommon for my son to work on something challenging, to get frustrated with it, to walk away from it, and then, of his own accord, go back to it and continue working on it, when he can better focus. He doesn't expect things to come easily. He doesn't expect things to be done for him or given to him. He is not unusual in this regard -- there are plenty of unschoolers who are similar. Just as there are public- or private-schooled kids who DO expect things to come easily, to be done for them, and to be given to them. I think it's way too easy to group people into a category and make a broad judgment if you yourself haven't PERSONALLY experienced both ends of the spectrum. I *have* experienced both ends and what comes between them, from the perspective of a kid and from the perspective of an adult and parent.
Christi, if you haven't already spent time surfing around Sandra Dodd's website, it's my favorite unschooling resource. (www.sandradodd.com). Unschooling combined with respectful parenting is her focus -- when I first began reading about unschooling "back in the day", the more time I spent reading Sandra's site and other sites and unschooling lists, the more I began to realize the concept behind unschooling encompasses your whole life, not just the education aspect of it. Again, this is not a concept for everyone, and it may not be quite what you're looking for. But her site is a good starting point and she has links to other sites listed there as well. If you surf her site and find it's not your cup of tea, well, at least you'll have a better idea of what you *don't* want! It took me some time reading about unschooling and respectful parenting before I reached the point that I was ready to really try it -- it was a scary leap, but we haven't looked back and haven't regretted it for one second.
I do find it interesting when people who don't have *personal experience* with unschooling (meaning they were unschooled themselves or they unschool their children) chime in in a negative way (calling you lazy, saying your children will never learn this or that), but you're going to find that is the norm. If you're looking for support, you might want to find an unschoolers list and just read read read. Any negative thing anyone has to say to you has already been said to others of us a hundred times over (and proved wrong a hundred times over). Just keep in mind that anything you post on your blog opens you up for criticism about your choice.
Sandra's site should have links to a couple unschooling yahoo/google groups that you would probably find very helpful and supportive. If you don't find the links for those on her site, ask Julia to give you my yahoo email addy and you can drop me a line.
At 6:02 PM,
Glenda, I'm Christi's mom and I'm the one who posted as "Anonymous" as I've been unable to get my user name to work any more. Christi knew I was the one who wrote the post and we had a heated discussion regarding same. I'm glad that unschooling works so well for you--it sounds as if you have only one child and are able to spend all your free time with him. Christi has 3 children and VERY little free time between caring for them, working her numerous jobs and taking care of the house. Although I'm unfamiliar with all the aspects of unschooling, it sounds like it takes LOTS of time to accomplish in a successful manner and I'm very concerned about my grandchildren getting an above average education. I feel that knowledge in a wide variety of subjects (even subjects that children aren't always interested in) is a definite necessity in today's world. I believe I know Christi and my grandchildren a little better than you, and that's why I don't think unschooling is necessarily the right path for them. However, Christi is going to do whatever SHE wants to do or feels is right anyway, so it doesn't matter what I or any other anonymous poster has to say.
At 6:08 PM,
Oh, and BTW Christi, I didn't call you lazy--I know you're not lazy. I said "Sounds like "unschooling" works well for the parent who is too lazy or doesn't care to do what is necessary to educate their child, even if it's for the child's own good". As far as I know, you're not using the unschooling methods yet.
Christi's Mom, you said that you are unfamiliar with all the aspects of unschooling. Just as I referred Christi to Sandra Dodd's site, I encourage you to take some time to check it out too. From what you said in your comment to me, it definitely sounds as if what you consider "unschooling successfully" is not at all what unschoolers consider "unschooling successfully".
I never professed to know Christi at all, and I'm not sure where you got that impression from reading my comment. I do, however, know unschooling, and I know where to direct someone looking for information and support regarding the topic. Christi very specifically said in her post that if someone had tips or comments to let her know; my comment was in direct response to her request.
The bottom line is that if a parent wants to unschool, or follow a more traditional homeschooling method, or send their kid to private school, or send them to public school, the parent will do what it takes to make it happen.
Christi is not the only parent to have more than one child, or more than one job, or a household to take care of. If she wants to pursue unschooling and is unsure how to get there with having three kids and multiple jobs and a household, I can guarantee she will have no problem getting tips and suggestions from other unschoolers who have "been there, done that" or are "currently there, doing that". That doesn't mean it will be easy, but if she has three little ones and juggles multiple jobs and cares for a house, then she's used to things not being easy.
I hope you're right that Christi is going to make the choice she feels is right for her kids . . . whether that choice is unschooling, traditional homeschooling, public school, private school, or some other choice out there.
We parents only get to raise our kids once and we have to do what we feel is right, even if it means *our* parents don't always agree with our choices.
I'm fortunate that my mom was open-minded about homeschooling, and then unschooling, when I first broached the topics with her. When she had questions, I answered them as best I could, and I provided her with books, magazines, and websites that also provided answers; she did me the courtesy of making use of those resources. (Those resources were provided to all my son's grandparents; sadly, not all were as courteous about making use of them -- those who did not are, interestingly enough, the ones who are unsupportive.)
My mom has a lot of respect for me as a person and as a parent and knew I would do only what I thought was best for my child, and she has not been proven wrong in her choice to let me make my own parenting decisions and to support my decisions. Time has shown my family that, yes, kids CAN and DO learn to read and spell and write and add and subtract and multiply without having to be taught via textbooks or other traditional methods . . . and that kids CAN and DO become interested in so many things without those things having to be forced upon them. Whereas five years ago my mom was probably unconvinced unschooling could work, these days she is a strong advocate of unschooling and all it encompasses.
You may not agree with Christi questioning traditional schooling methods, but it doesn't accomplish anything positive to be unsupportive and narrow-minded (and I'm basing the "unsupportive and narrow-minded" on the three comments you've posted here thus far). Imagine what you might find out if you spend a couple weeks *really reading* about unschooling from kids who are unschooled, from teens and grown kids who were always unschooled, from parents who unschool their kids. How much more supportive it would be to *your daughter* and *your grandchildren* if you opened your mind to the possibility of there being more than one "right" way for children to experience life.
You contradicted yourself by saying it sounds like unschooling takes "LOTS of time", then you said you think unschooling is for parents "who are lazy" or "don't care to do what's necessary for their children". Honestly, NONE of those statements are accurate!! Again, if you go to the source (unschoolers), you'll get much more accurate information than working off assumptions.
Christi, I believe you should be able to get any information you want, and then some, about unschooling via Sandra's site and the links on them. I'm going to bow out of the discussion at this point. I let Julia know that if you ever want to get in touch with me, I don't mind her giving you my email addy. Good luck with whatever choice you make! I'll see you on Julia's blog =)
I've incorporated some of the ideas of unschooling into what we do, though I think most unschoolers would say I'm definitely not doing it right.
It seems like unschooling would in some ways be very freeing for the parent, but would in other ways be more work than using a structured program. You have to provide the stimulating atmosphere to encourage learning and you have to be mentally flexible enough to use those learning moments when they come.
I've been at least somewhat involved in the other two major homeschooling groups in the area. I think the one we're in now is the most unschooler friendly, though unschoolers are welcome in the other two as well.